tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post5585264143984219469..comments2024-03-27T15:08:52.340+05:30Comments on Corporate Frauds Watch: So where exactly in the US government can we find this famous morality of which Mr. Chang speaks?Shyam Sundarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06882675852552827969noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post-44502403078116729282011-09-10T17:08:30.379+05:302011-09-10T17:08:30.379+05:30Mr. Chang
Your comment has been removed because ...Mr. Chang<br /> <br />Your comment has been removed because it contained an absurd lie:<br /> <br />'THEN in his latest blogpost, he (mr. Brear) changed his mind and conceded that a fraud can be legal if the law and enforcement had not caught up with it'.<br /> <br />Until you learn to read and digest what has actually been written, and not what you imagine has been written, your presence on this Blog will remain unwelcome.<br /> <br />Corporate Frauds Watchcorporate frauds watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696785141430785705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post-25120954834738871672011-09-10T11:05:51.110+05:302011-09-10T11:05:51.110+05:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post-49120098720095839202011-09-09T17:29:31.396+05:302011-09-09T17:29:31.396+05:30We are a group of volunteers and starting a new in...We are a group of volunteers and starting a new initiative in a community. Your blog provided us valuable information to work on. You have done a marvelous job!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.21cnutrition.com/pages/About-Us" rel="nofollow">Herbalife Canada</a><br />oogarryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131656657616690160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post-46037536725276861692011-09-09T13:18:09.575+05:302011-09-09T13:18:09.575+05:30Dear Shyam,
What exactly IS childish about my com...Dear Shyam,<br /><br />What exactly IS childish about my comment that Mr. Brear was EXTREMELY wordy in expressing his opinion? <br /><br />He takes DOZENS sentence to object to me saying "MLM is legal", when he could have wrote exactly ONE sentence, "You should have wrote 'MLM has not been declared illegal'." Which, eventually, he did, except he took his time about it! <br /><br />And it is a statement I agree with, since I said ALMOST the same thing! <br /><br />He may not have wrote those exact words, but he DID write, correcting me: "'Multi-Level Marketing,' has never been specifically prohibited by law in the USA."<br /><br />That is "MLM has not been declared illegal"<br /><br />Where as "MLM is fraud, and thus illegal" was long established on this blog, and in fact, in virtually every blogpost.<br /><br />So how can you state that "he [Brear] most certainly has never made [statement]"? He may not have uttered those exact words, but his meaning was clear. <br /><br />If you meant to say I misquoted or misunderstood Mr. Brear, then please correct me, or let Mr. Brear do so. <br /><br />As for the "MLM is legal" and "MLM is fraud" together is "self-contradicting nonsense" I believe, is what you wrote, this is where we disagree. <br /><br />First of all, I agree with Mr. Brear that it can be corrected that "MLM is legal" to "MLM has not been declared illegal". This was the essence of the comment you deleted as "particularly childish". I AGREE with the correction, and I remarked that it took Mr. Brear a dozen sentences to get to the point. And you DELETED that comment. <br /><br />Why is admitting my mistake and agreeing with Mr. Brear "particular childish"? <br /><br />You and I simply are using the term "legal" in different ways, which is what I said BEFORE, in the PREVIOUS comment (the one you did NOT delete!) You are using "illegal" in the sense of "amoral / fraudulent". I am using "illegal" as "breaking the law". Or in other words, there is this gap between when fraudulent behavior is documented, and when law is passed against it and enforced. During which time, something can be both fraudulent, AND legal (speaking of law). <br /><br />It just happens that in this particular case, this fraudulent behavior called MLM had been tolerated by narrowing its focus (with various restrictions with the so-called "Amway Safeguard Rules"), instead of being outlawed altogether, and has been over the past several decades! <br /><br />We AGREE on the issues! So what exactly are we arguing about? <br /><br />As for whether "legal fraud" exist or not, I'd like to share an email conversation I had with Mr. Robert Fitzpatrick :<br /><br />---<br />KC: I guess what I am asking then is, which is more "evil", a barely-disguised-surely-illegal pyramid scheme such as TVI Express (with no product), or a legal-for-now MLM business like Amway (that has some products)? While MLM is legal, it's mostly NOT good for the participants despite all the promises of secondary income. However, is a scam pretending to be a legal MLM just as bad, or even worse, than MLM, which at least has SOME legal recognition? Or is that just splitting hair?<br /><br />RP: Start with the word, "legal". Since we already discussed that illegal frauds can and do operate as "legal", e.g., liar-loans, no-doc mortgages, and so many more in the financial sector, health care industry, government contracting, etc., the distinction is not very useful for understanding MLM.<br />[snip]<br />----<br /><br />Thus, "legal fraud" does exist, and it is NOT "self-contradictory nonsense". It is simply when laws are inadequate or inadequately enforced. And I did NOT misquote Robert Fitzpatrick this time. <br /><br />Why the heck are we arguing over this any way? <br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />KCGuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2020300354268548128.post-28759664470952339032011-09-08T18:51:15.107+05:302011-09-08T18:51:15.107+05:30Mr. Chang.
This particularly childish comment ha...Mr. Chang.<br /> <br />This particularly childish comment has been removed because it contains a statement (in quotation marks) which you attribute to Mr. Brear, but which he most certainly has never made. Furthermore, your inflexible insistance that 'MLM is legal in the USA,' even though you also state that it is your belief that 'MLM is a fraud,' is self-contradicting nonsense.<br /> <br />In respect of what has been most-commonly referred to as 'MLM': <br /> <br />For decades, Ill-informed, and/or corrupt, senior American law enforcement agents have failed to enforce existing federal legislation which prohibits fraud, and, particularly fraud which forms part of an overall pattern of major racketeering activity. Thus, 'MLM income opportunity' fraud (which is undoubtedly one of the largest rackets the world has ever failed to spot ) has been effectively authorized in the USA, but most certainly this major crime has not been legalized in the USA or elsewhere, as your dangerously-simplistic statements have continued to imply.corporate frauds watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696785141430785705noreply@blogger.com