Why trying to convince me instead of the High Court of Andhra Pradesh

IBOFB and their ilk should strive hard to convince the justices of Andhra Pradesh High Court by appointing 'competent' counsels or appearing party-in-person. Instead of that these people unnecessarily work overtime to convince 'ignorant' people like me. LOL.

Had they convinced the learned justices of the High Court, the things could have been different for Amway in India. By calling a whistle blower ignorant, IBOFB is not going anywhere. It seems he is caught on wrong foot while blindly supporting Amway India's website. He conveniently avoids things I have mentioned but talks of something else reminding me of my 'ignorance' time and again.

All these swindlers are alike. The other day I met an insurance sales agent who is trying to sell insurance policies under the multilevel marketing system. When I tried to explain that it is illegal, he started shouting. I told him one's voice raises when one's point is weak. He is also a swindler who is trying to rope in as many as possible.

So is the case with IBOFB. I still call him IBOFB because he did not tell me what his real name is though David told me that he is Steadson. He has never revealed how much he has earned as Amway distributor or what is his position in the Amway hierarchy. He has simply been defending the illegal activities of Amway India though he has little understanding of what he is doing. I pity him.

Manipulative techniques of Amway apologists

Shyam

As I am sure you are aware, David Steadson (a.k.a. 'IBOFB'), is just trying to provoke you.
Steadson's tedious denial of external reality and his scripted insults are part of a manipulative technique (employed by 'Amway' apologists) designed to shut down your critical faculties and drag you down to his puerile level. Core-'Scientologists' are schooled in exactly the same 'Baiting' techniques.
It is helpful to see fanatical cult adherents are being merely actors in a play which systematically casts them as 'the enlightened heroes'. Steadson's IBOFB alter ego is trying to lure you into his dualistic 'Amway' game of make-believe, where all critics are systematically cast as 'the ignorant villains.'
Once you understand Steadson's controlled model of reality, it becomes obvious that arguing with him is as pointless as arguing with a tape recorder.
However, all free-thinking observers know that there is an immense difference between what the 'Amway' Ministry of Truth steadfastly pretends to be reality and what is actually occurring in India.

David Brear

Make money without purchasing products or enrolling members, claims IBOFB

IBOFB thinks that everyone has a price and it is easy to buy people. It has been made several times clear that my fight is against all these types of fraudsters -- be it Indian or multi-national. Anyway, IBOFB did not clarify who are their competitors. I still believe that they are all direct selling association members. I am not aware of any competition among swindlers.

Well, finally, IBOFB agrees that there are flaws in the Amway India brochure. LOL. The fact is, the flaw is in the scheme of Amway itself. The scheming swindlers are out to prove that they are right. The funniest argument is that people could make money even if they do not purchase any products or they do not enroll new members. The IBOFB did not clarify from where does the money rain. You purchase zero products for personal use and need not enroll new members but still you make money. Wonderful!

IBOFB still adheres to the norm that anyone who questions Amway is either ignorant or liar or a hired one.

Examples are not for the sake of examples. They are to be followed to make money. That is what examples are for. If you imagine any other use just enlighten our readers.

One thing is clear. IBOFB is defending Amway India without even knowing what exactly it is doing in India. First learn how the scheme is robbing the Indians and defend it IBOFB. Whatever Amway India doing is against the law of the land. It has been made it clear in the AP High Court Division Bench judgement and the Supreme Court of India dismissed the plea of Amway stating it has no merits. Still, sitting in a far off land, IBOFB and their ilk jump forward to defend Amway India and its illegal money circulation scheme. Take away the swindler out of our country where you cannot be questioned for your misdeeds.

Conveniently lying is IBOFB style

The amwayindia.com website clearly gives examples as Eg. 1, Eg.2, Eg 3 to highlight its scheme of sponsoring, finding customers who could afford to purchase the products. In the Eg. 1 the website illustrates how much a family should purchase to get a total PV of 102.26 and total BV 4,601.70. Then it says if you have two or three friends who are interested in buying Amway products your earnings would be Rs. 3, 510. To get that income, you have to purchase ten items spending at least Rs. 10,000 for your family of four. Out of these ten items, Indians hardly purchase only three or four items generally. You have to have 'friends' to buy these expensive products. And if they buy you have to invest Rs. 30,000 more for purchasing products for them. If you succeed you may earn Rs. 3,510. Otherwise you would never get amount. So it is clear here that you must have two or three friends who are interested to purchase Amway products. Otherwise, you have to search for them. That is how the housewife, Nirmala from Hyderabad got frustrated. Go to older posts to learn her story. So is the case of so many.

In the Eg2, the website suggests to sponsor four persons to earn total earning of Rs. 5, 535 per month. That is you have to find four persons to sponsor.

In the Eg.3, it suggests that the sponsored persons should sponsor other persons as their downline members where your earnings would be Rs. 50, 850 per month. It is not mere four members but is more than that.

Here one has to notice, this sponsoring and further sponsoring is nothing but money circulation scheme as described in the Prize Chits & Money circulation schemes (Banning) Act, 1978. One can go to older posts to find the Bare Act of that enactment.

IBOFB conveniently ignores that the police have already completed the investigation and filed the charge sheet in the judicial court. The next hearing of that case is posted for July 23, 2009. Instead of realising this truth, the IBOFB lives in another part of the world and thinks what happened in the UK, is also happening in India.

Come out of the fantasy of make-believe business world IBOFB. Reality really hurts. Do you still insist that Amway never works that way. Go to the AmwayIndia.com website once again and see for your self.

Amway scheme is a scam nevertheless

First it is a lie. Then it is ignorance. What Next? The Swindlers always come out with new epithets.

The writ petition against Amway pointed out that the Amway India is still advertising in the media though the Andhra Pradesh State Government issued an order GOMS No 178 of September 15, 2008, restraining it to do so.

The writ petition also pointed out when a corporate entity is charged with a crime, can it continue the same crime time and again. It also appealed to the Hon'ble AP High Court to direct the government to discharge its duty. Section 7 of Prize Chits & Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978 empowers the police to enter, search and seize on mere suspicion of any money circulation scheme.

Here in this case, the Andhra Pradesh CID has filed a criminal case against Amway India and also filed the charge sheet against it in the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Court, Nampally, Hyderabad. So, it is clear that the Amway India indeed indulged in the illegal money circulation scheme. Still, if the company continued its activities under the pretext of New Plan, the police should stop the company from indulging in such act. That is exactly what writ petition asked the court.

Delivering the judgment in WP No. 20470 and 20471 of 2006 decided 19-07-2007 {2007 (4) ALT 808 (D.B.)}, the Division Bench of AP High Court in the para No. 49 stated "It is a well settled principle of criminal jurisprudence that no person shall be presumed to be guilty until his guilt is proved, but we are unable to accept the broad submissions of the learned counsel for the petitioners that till the conclusion of the criminal case the police have no power to interfere with the business activities of the petitioners."

This is exactly what the writ petition stated and appealed to the court to interfere in the illegal money circulation scheme of Amway.

Each Amway member has to find at least four members each to support its business. Isn't this a pyramid scheme? Where do they find so many people. The Supreme Court of India in a recent case {Kuriachan Chacko and others (2008) 8 SCC} said that it is mathematically impossible and the scheme organisers have been knowingly inducing people to become members and that attracts the provisions of Section 420 of Indian Penal Code, i.e. cheating.

Let us calculate later the expenditure of purchasing Amway products and how much the members actually earn.

Truth won't change by calling someone names, IBOFB

IBOFB once again appears after a long lull calling names everyone whoever disagrees with him. He challenges to prove what I told the court was a lie. What he forgets was, the learned judges after carefully considering all points only admitted the writ petition. They were shown how Amway is inducing people to become members with false promises of huge money.

The Rs. 50, 850 profit was shown in the website of amwayindia.com which was actually monthly total earnings. These hooded faces should come out from their country of origin and look for facts. If he thinks he is more intelligent than the learned justices of Andhra Pradesh High Court what that could be described - arrogance, headstrong or stupidity.

These swindlers have been robbing my country, my countrymen and I am all the more determined to unravel the mask of these hooded monsters. Come out fraudsters. Show your face and real identity.

The amwayindia.com also induces people under the false profits of Rs. 50,850 with bold lettering "We are ready to grow the business... Are You???" If this is not inducement what else is this.

This is how Amway India is cheating the gullible and there are millions of silent sufferers all over India who do not want to come out openly fearing that it would hurt their friends and relatives. That does not make Amway India a legitimate business house.

I call upon my countrymen to file criminal cases against Amway India without hurting their friends and relatives.

Andhra Pradesh High Court admits writ against Amway

The Division Bench of Andhra Pradesh consisting of Chief Justice A R Dave and Justice Ramesh Ranganathan admitted the writ of mandamus filed by Corporate Frauds Watch against Amway India and issued notices to the principal secretary (Home), Additional director general of police (CID), and Amway India to respond.

After a lively argument for more than 40 minutes, the Division Bench has agreed to admit the writ petition against Amway.

Taking up the writ petition, the Division Bench asked the advocate for Corporate Frauds Watch as to how the scheme of Amway India is illegal. Advocate Mastan Vali explained the Division Bench in detail how the Amway is swindling the gullible. He also narrated the judgment of the Division Bench of Andhra Pradesh High Court and how the government failed to implement the law of the land. The Advocate said that Section 7 of the Prize Chits &  Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) ACt, 1978 gives enough powers to the police to raid such premises on mere suspicion and seize incriminating evidence. Though the A P High Court categorically stated that the scheme falls under the Act, the police are not acting to stop the illegal activities of the company.

The counsel for Corporate Frauds Watch pointed out to the comment by the division bench of AP High Court in the para No. 49 of the judgment which said that ''It is a well settled principle of criminal jurisprudence that no person shall be presumed to be guilty until his guilt is proved, but we are unable to accept the broad submissions of the counsel for the Amway that till the conclusion of the criminal case the police have no power to interfere with the business activities of Amway. Section 7 of the Act empowers the police officer to enter, search and seize any incriminating evidence on mere suspicion.'' The counsel for Corporate Frauds Watch said still the police are not acting on various complaints against the scheme of Amway.

The counsel also pointed out to the advertisements of Amway and said these advertisements are nothing but camouflaged ones to perpetuate money circulation scheme. The advertisement directs people to go to Amway website, where the Amway induces people to become members of the scheme which promises more than Rs 50,000 every month if they recruit 102 members his downline.

However, the Division Bench refused to give notices to the electronic media as we could not submit the copies of TV advertisements to the court.

This is a great victory for the right-thinking people all over world and let us hope that the court verdict would do justice to the millions who lost money in this swindle by Amway.