Monday, 28 December 2009

50 years of effectively unsaleable Amway wampum

I observe that the intellectually-feeble comment that young Trivedi has squawked when faced with the quantifiable evidence that his multi-millionaire 'Amway Diamond' hero, Dexter Yager, is a psychotic criminal (who believes that he acts for 'God' ), is the implication that we can't be correct , because we don't know the exact 'Pin Level' (i.e. made-up title) of Yager's 'impressive'-sounding rank in the 'Amway' paramilitary structure.
The intellectually-rigorous point that I was making, but which failed to penetrate Trivedi's castrated 'Amway' mind, is that it doesn't matter in the slightest what fancy names Yager and his criminal associates decide to give themselves - 'Crown Ambassador', 'Grand Dragon', 'Gauleiter', 'Fuhrer', 'Grand Panjandrum': In the adult world of quantifiable reality, what's the difference?
In the puerile, parallel, totalitarian fantasy worlds of 'Amway', the 'Second KKK' and the 'Nazi party', mediocre little narcissists like the grinning members of the De Vos and Van Andel clans, Dexter Yager, Adolf Hitler, David Stephenson, etc., pretend(ed) absolute moral and intellectual authority whilst pursuing various hidden criminal objectives (fraudulent, sexual, violent, etc.). The admiration of their unquestioning adherents only serve(d) to confirm, and magnify, their own delusions of grandeur and self-righteousness.
I think that Trivedi should first pinch himself (to make sure that he's not having a nightmare) before he takes a look at the video of Dexter Yager's psychotic wife, 'Birdie,' in full-flow. Perhaps Trivedi can then explain to your free-thinking Indian readers why this ill-educated American harpy believes that 'God speaks exclusively to her and to her husband' .
Whilst he's at it, perhaps Trivedi can also explain what exactly 'God' , and a disturbing right-wing 'Christian' movement called the 'First Assembly of God' , have to do with the remains of the so-called 'Amway/Quixtar Business' in the USA?
Watch the video entitled: 'Birdie Yager Speaks to Amway' , and see what really lurks behind 50 years of (effectively) unsaleable 'Amway' wampum.
David Brear


Joecool said...

Dexter doesn't think he acts for God. I have a transcript of an FED speech where he thinks he is God.

Joecool said...


I love you like no other, my hand is on each and every one of you. I want you to forget your circumstances and build this business like you never have before. Your time is running out and there is much to be done for my Kingdom. Don't worry about things of this world. I have overcome the world, so I can overcome any situation that you might have. I hold the universe in my hand. Do you not think I can hold you also? I am not a man that I should lie, so when I tell you I love you I mean it. When I say I will take care of you, I mean it. Just love me and trust me. Lay back I will catch you. I will be your cushion. Just come and sit with me and get to know intimately for yourself. I will put people in front of you. Trust me! I will change your circumstances. I will change your life if you will just let go and let me. Your time is coming. You are my precious child. Be aware of this one thing. Let it sink deep into your spirit that I love you right now, this morning, just as you are. Stand up, believe in ME. Be counted in My Kingdom and I will bless you beyond measure, your measure, not mine! Throw away the things that are keeping you bound up and I will replace them with the fruits of my spirit. Love, Joy, Peace, Gentleness, Kindness, Longsuffering. You will become a beacon for Me and I will bless you.

April 12, 1994
Dexter Yager - Emerald Meeting, Heritage USA

dtytrivedi said...

i am sorry to say that u talk as if u know every thing about the dexter yager and not his pin level in the business not even nearer to what u claim.

brear and shyam forget about his pin level you don't know the difference between silver, gold and platinum pin holder.

And as u don't know these 3 pin level how would u able to know what is the minimum business turnover Diamond pin holder should generate (at least in case of India) to become qualified diamond pin holder.

if u guys bothered to know about the pin levels u would easily see the flaws in the conclusions reached in andhra high court against amway.

You would easily see that a person who generates his business through 6 people Rs 1080 crores, would be earning an income according to structure and not totally on the basis of turnover.

if u guys had bothered to do some research u would know what i am saying

this is for u shyam take a note of it.

i am taking an excerpt from andhra high court case

"As pleaded by the petitioners themselves, out of Rs.4,400/- a substantial part, namely Rs.1,800/- is collected as subscription fee, license fee, business kit etc. To qualify for earning commission a member has to earn the minimum monthly PV of 50 which he will get by selling products worth Rs.2,000/-. Respondent No.6 in para-11(c) of his counter affidavit specifically pleaded that “Amway” (First petitioner) would automatically get a business of the quantum of Rs.1080/- crores (4,50,000 x 2,000 x 12(months) ) per annum which would yield an astronomical profit and it cannot but be stated as “easy/quick money” without any service to the distributors/members irrespective of whether they sell the products or not, though the company may conveniently refer it as “turnover by sale of products”.

Did u know that the first sponsorer would achieve at max founder's diamond level at max even if he generates the 1080 crores from six people.

And according to latest published data by amway an average income of founders diamond is Rs 3.64 million. ( 0.03% of Rs1080 crore)

but lets say this guy is an exceptional case but than also he would be earning at max Rs5 million
(0.046% of Rs1080 crores).

I am damn sure guys would not even try to find it out.

what to expect from shyam he doesn't know the difference between the 6 percenter and ruby direct.

Joecool said...

The higher the pin level, the more downlines are losing money. Simple as that.

quixtarisacult said...

David, Shyam...

Dexter and Birdie Yager have indeed enriched themselves by pulling the wool over many Amway believer's eyes. Many of the books that Dexter sold as his own work were actually written by another Amway kingpin, Doug Wead.

It matters not which liar does the writing.

Our friend here trivedi clings to the hope that Amway is legit and basically repeats the Amway 'tapespeak' as if it were the gospel of Christ. He conveniently disregards how Amway has churned through what most likely is millions of people over the 50 year sordid history of this pernicious cult.

dtytrivedi said...

no joecool, thats not true.

as i said it before the income based on business structure and business volume.

prove me wrong if u find an aspect against it!!!

show me a single downline who is losing money not meeting criteria as mentioned above.

i can show some list of people who were among the few people who expanded or started their business in India but there are many downlines who have surpassed their pin level and income.

dtytrivedi said...

david brear ok fine u found that amway is having "paramilitary structure"

Can u name few ranks and how one can achieve that. lets see what u have got.

Legal Scan said...

Why there are very few diamonds in India in that case Trivedi, though it has 4.5 lakh members through out the country. A Raja Naren here and a Prasad there, are only visible. Why?
You conveniently forget that the Andhra Pradesh High Court has come to that conclusion basing on the affidavit filed by Amway India itself.

Joecool said...


The proof is under your nose. In order to have more platinums, you need more lower level 100 PV IBOs. The more lower llevel IBOs you have, the more losses they suffer buying tools.

So the more diamonds you have, the more people there are "under" that diamond who lose money.

dtytrivedi said...

ok fine legal scan can tell me when i say diamond what minimum that guy should have business turnover.

if u know the answer u will understand the answer

dtytrivedi said...

i am sorry joecool u are interpreting wrong information

there is the difference between having the platinums and making ur downline a qualified downline.

u are speaking as if one is hiring ready made platinum.

I tell u one thing u and i cannot understand the what it takes to reach platinum and make ur downline platinum.

ur effort was 2000 pv and i am 6percenter.

u must be knowing that for becoming qualified platinum one has to generate business volume 5 times more than of urs and to become diamond one has to teach six such people to achieve it. Do u think that it is piece of cake to become platinum.

The way u are saying as if to become platinum is nothing. when u must be knowing that one must maintain not less than 10000 pv for the next consecutive six months.

or indian context is it easy to genrate business volume of 5 lacs per month consecutive six months?

dtytrivedi said...

here is list which i have of people diamond pin and above

But this may not be the total list of diamonds and above

1 Bill & Peggy Britt
2 Harbhajan Singh & Mohinder Braich
3 Nair, Bindu & Sajeev
4 S. Paulraj & Sagayamary
5 Jim & Nancy Dornan
6 Rajvir & Kusum Singh - 2008
7 Rashmi & Sushil Pachnanda
8 Shuddhatm Prakash & Sandhya Bharill - 2007
9 M, Sundaravadivel & S, Renuga devi - 2009
10 Prem & Geeta Pillay - 2008
11 Ravi & Ila Jain
12 Ritu & Ashutosh Rastogi
13 Sanchita & Abhijit Chakrabarty
14 Sanjay & Saroj Shelar - 2009
15 Sumeet & Tanya Bahadur - 2009
16 Birdie & Dexter Yager
17 A.Chandrasekharan & C. Krishnaveni - 2009
18 A Vijaya & S Alagesan- 2008
19 Abraham Varghese & Delfy Abraham
20 Ajitpal Singh & Randhir Kaur Mangat
21 Amarpreet & Sheena Chawla - 2009
22 Amit & Arti Sondhi
23 Amul & Reena Raj - 2009
24 Ankur & Taru Gupta - 2009
25 Anurag & Nidhi Aggarwal
26 Anil & Bindu Narang
27 Antony Varghese C & Nirmala Mar
28 Arun & Pragna Pathak - 2007
29 Ashok & Sreeti Reddy
30 Bimal & Vinita Jain - 2009
31 Bhupinder Jeet Singh & Harpreet Kaur
32 C.Nagaveni & T Chandrasekaran - 2009
33 Davinderjit & M. P. Singh Sandhu
34 Dinesh & Deepika Shringarpure - 2009
35 Dr. O. Ramesh Singh & Anita Devi Oinam - 2009
36 Dr. T Rajendrakumar & Dr R Kannaki - 2009
37 Dr S S Manjunath & Dr V K Geeth
38 Dushyant Kumar & Sudha Chaudhary
39 G.Jeyaprakash & Nirmala - 2009
40 Harish Kumar & Hema Nagar - 2008
41 Jagjit Singh & Surinder Kaur Malhotra
42 Jagtar Singh & Davinder Kaur Pannu
43 Jeevan & Dr. Madhubala
44 Jitendra & Abha Jain
45 Jyothi Bakshi & Gursharann Siingh
46 Kalaivani G & Ganesh Kumar - 2002
47 K.Sreenivasan & S.Jayanthi - 2009
48 Kamal & Shashi Dhingra
49 Kiriti & Saswati Dasgupta - 2009
50 Kumar Shiva Ramakrishnan & Anjali Kumar
51 M Manickavasagam & Neela M - 2008
52 Manoj Kumar N. & Letha Manoj
53 Madhvi & Shekhar Choudhary
54 Mohan & Meena Deshmukh - 2009
55 Mukesh & Kokila Patel
56 Naresh & Neelam Bhardwaj
57 Neila & Sameer Kakodkar
58 Nitish Dixit
59 P.Jayalakshmi Ananthakumar - 2009
60 Parimala & Hari Kumar - 2007
61 Partho & Nandini Bose - 2009
62 Pravin & Menaxi Patelia - 2009
63 Pratima Payal Singh - 2009
64 Rakhal & Mita Mohanty - 2009
65 Rajpal Singh & Navjot Kaur Bawa - 2007
66 Raja Naren & Anjali Tirumala
67 Rajan & Prabha Warrier - 2007
68 Ravi Prakash & Manjusha
69 Ravi & Ranju Boparai
70 Rina & Debapi Roy
71 Satinder Pal Singh & Parminder Kaur Taggar - 2008
72 Sandeep & Shailja Mittal
73 Satwinder Kaur & Kuldip Singh Saini - 2009
74 Sneh Lata & Rajesh Kumar Rathore
75 Staffan Ohlson
76 Sunita Kumari - 2009
77 Sunny Sarabjeet Sehgal
78 Surjit & Surinder Waraich
79 Surjit Singh & Harwinder Kaur Gulati - 2007
80 Suryakumari & Varaprasad Pillarisetti
81 T. Rajasekaran & R. Chandramathi - 2009
82 Vinita & Narendra Pratap Singh - 2008
83 Vinod N Kumar & Rajalekshmi J
84 Vijay Prakash & Madhvi Gupta
85 Zeenath Beevi M & Nahas M

dtytrivedi said...

Legal scan amway business is not only in andhra, there are also other states in India

Joecool said...


There are more diamonds than you list here but as I said, every platinum oftentimes has 100 downline. A diamond has at least 6platinums. The more lower level downline, the more losses. Is this hard to understand?

dtytrivedi said...

tell me where it is mentioned that platinum should have specific number of diamonds.

The more lower level downline, the more losses. Is this hard to understand?

I think that what u r saying
"The more lower llevel IBOs you have, the more losses they suffer buying tools"

I tell u one thing, there is negligent cost for doing that. our uplines and I would loan that. We would suggest tools to those who want to build the business.

most of our downlines would subscribe bimonthly magazine which costs Rs 1000.

So investing Rs 1000 and bi monthly magazine Rs 1000. And yeah buying magazine is not compulsary.

In case if they want in soft copy they will get on amway website (login required) or this website

I cannot comment on tools scam what u guys talk regarding in some countries like UK and US. But atleast in India I would say that there is no such force on distributors to buys tools.

Tex said...

jc, you need to get yourself checked for syphilis, an STD (sexually transmitted disease) that affect brain function. I think you were infected from one or more of those Hawaiian whores you write about on the World Sex Guide site.

I've said MANY times the UK and other countries, such as India, have put limits on the Amway tool scam. The U.S. has NOT. Class dismissed.

dtytrivedi said...

And one more thing that amway produce 80% of its revenues outside. US and UK would contribute 25% at max.

So i don't think that tools play major role in amway business volume

Tex said...


Outside what?

It is well documented the upline LCKs make SEVERAL TIMES more from tools than Amway, while about 99% of IBOs operate at a net loss.


I can't stop being a racist...I never started! LOL

As if you have a clue about my mother. LOL

Taurean Trampling said...

all u guys simply suck...i mean when there is so much war and shit out there you on this planet you wanna abuse a business that is giving hopes and freedom to 1000's......go and try hepling reduce global warming or stop the wars and the dopes and the promicuity......if u can point out mistakes lets see if you can also give a solution to people....can u come up with an idea to help people go financially free....u bloody cant get free yourself...and here u are irritating all of us

Unknown said...


Unknown said...

great job ! Hats off to all your effort in explaining the facts
ajeet singh

Priya said...

I just joined amway business in India under the leadership of our great Diamond Ashish & Prabha Garg.
And i am doing very well in this unique. It's a God's gift for me.

Shyam Sundar said...

Priya, Soon you would realise that you could not sell these products anyone and you could not afford to use for yourself every month spending more than Rs. 2000. If you do not buy products worth Rs. 2000 every month your name would be deleted from the commission list. You would be under illusion that you are going to become rich but in reality you would be poorer by a few thousands every month. It is a vicious circle. Beware!

Soldier Reborn said...

Hey ..there is no point in arguing .. we have Dan brown as well and we have scionist theory as well and we have lots of other things in the world. So until you get into the rabbit whole and try to find yourself what it contains you will never know about. You always got a choice to do or not to do. So take a chill pill and enjoy if you see others getting lost or win something dont need to be so much agitated

Shyam Sundar said...

Soldier, there is only one thing. Legal or illegal. According to Indian law, Amway's business model is illegal and joining and making others join in such schemes is against the law of the land.
So it is not the choice. The question is whether you would be a law-abiding or a law-breaker.

kanes said...

shyam sundar should get nomination for padmashree or bharat ratna award because he is saving life of so many poor indian people from getting rich and he must get nobel award for his recent invention about amway being illegal bussiness and he should inform the govt of india immediately to stop the amway.....thanx from all poor indian....shyam sundar u r real saviour..

Shyam Sundar said...

Thanks Kanes for your 'compliments'. The problem with the Prize Chits & Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978 is that it is a central government enactment that should be implemented by the State Governments. That is how it is surviving in India.
The recent example of Kerala incident, where the Amway was shut down by the State government showcases how the local administrtion should take care of these crooks. That is how the crooks like you and Amway are keep on cheating the fellow humans all over India.

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Anonymous said...

Sorry to say this Mr. Shyam that your are a sin to our country(INDIA), with your negative thoughts.

You really deserve a standing aviation of hands longest finger **** !!