Long march to 'Total Financial Freedom'

It is crystal clear that Youngman Trivedi could not complete one leg. That means he is far away from achieving 'Total Financial Freedom in 2-5 years'. He could not find at least six persons to complete the first stage of 6-4-3. LOL. Anyway it is a long march to complete two or three years in continuing in Amway business to finally learn that he is continually incurring losses all these years.

The Amway myth of Total Financial Freedom in 2-5 years

At this rate how long it would take to youngman Trivedi to achieve the Amway myth of "Total Financial Freedom in 2-5 years." Anyway he would realise soon that is a hoax.

Let us focus at other points. Trivedi mentions that his group business volume's worth is Rs. 15,500. Let us see what comprises that group. It is nothing but 6-4-3 formula. The group consists of members recruited by Trivedi. He did not disclose how much time and money he spent to recruit those members. He must have recruited six members and they in turn must have recruited four persons each. And these four persons must recruit three persons each to complete one leg; that is the formula.

Now Trivedi kindly explain how many you've recruited and how many were recruited by them.

Another point is that Trivedi has friends and relatives who purchase products from him and they would naturally be interested to become members to get 20 per cent commission instead of purchasing from him. Now they have to look for friends and relatives to sell products. Where do they find so many persons who can afford to purchase a toothpaste for Rs. 120?

I hope now Trivedi realises the whole racket of Amway and comes out of this web.

Desperate to succeed Amway apologists waste more money

Shyam

A classic red, white and blue 'Amway' herring has been produced by your naive young friend, Trivedi, and then seasoned by Scott Johnson (alias 'Tex'), which they expect your readers to swallow whole and then digest.
No matter what the flock of apologists continue to bleat, in the end, no one makes any money out of the 'Amway' fairy-tale, except the racketeers who push it. The so-called 'Amway Business Opportunity' is like 'Nutrilite XX', it's an up-dated version of an age-old fiction, being peddled as fact.
'Nutrilite XX' has always been a random (but precisely measured) assemblage of cheaply-procured common substances, deliberately manufactured and packaged to look like a medicine and then sold for an unjustifiable price. If this was a simple poison, it would be banned immediately.
The 'Amway Business Opportunity ' has been deliberately designed so as to mimic an authentic enterprise, but the overwhelming majority of its (effectively) powerless participants are virtually guaranteed to lose money. No one, except 'Amway' adherents, seriously disputes that the quality of the banal 'Amway' products, and their prices, are centrally-controlled by a handful of billionaires in the USA. These commercially vital factors are maintained at such levels as to render the 'Amway' products (effectively) unsaleable on the open market .
Scott Johnson would have the world believe that somehow 50 years of proven economic unviability for the so-called 'Amway Business Opportunity' is just a mistake which those honest guys at 'Amway' are always struggling to correct.
The central 'Amway' mob work hand in glove with their fellow bosses who produce and push the so-called 'tools', but they steadfastly pretend that they don't.
It's downright obvious to anyone with fully-functioning critical faculties that the'Amway' myth ('Total Financial Freedom' in 2-5 years) is just the bait in an advanced fee fraud. The more money victims lose in the impossible 'Amway' closed-market: the more open they become to buying the books, recordings, tickets to meetings, etc. The whole trap is designed to draw in a certain type of vulnerable individual whose ego cannot withstand the accusation of failure being his/her fault. The more this type of victim's ego is challenged by the '100% Positive Amway' belief system: the more desperate they become to succeed, and the more money they will waste on what they falsely believe to be the exclusive 'tools for building success. '

David Brear

Be truthful and say how much you're investing

Don't beat around bush youngman Trivedi. I asked you how much worth products you are purchasing every month. You may be content with Rs. 1000 profit as a starter. But let me know how much you are investing in purchasing products which is also very important. Then one can come to conclusion that you are really making money in the business. Let us be truthful.

Yet another network company duped millions

I have received an e-mail which informed about yet another company which cheated the gullible in the name of network marketing. Read and realise how crooks are minting money. --Shyam.

Dear Sir,
I have invested Rs. 12,455 in REAL BUSINESS MARCOM PVT. LTD. Company scheme after our mediator assured that we are going to Get 1% of Rs. 32 Lakh i.e Rs. 32000/-. But this has become only Assurance instead of an Action.
After that whenever I make phone calls to the company the persons are not responding and they are avoiding and telling unnecessary things. Around 10-20 persons are facing such type of problems under down to me, they are also making phone call to the company. The company has intentionally duped people. They have not stuck to their plan what they committed of 32 lakh on investment of Rs. 12,455/- But they are facing problem to get their invested amount back.
I think initially the company wanted to collect funds from the market through persons (networkers) by giving some benefits and gifts under the scheme by showing dream to the innocent public so that they invest more and more amount to the company. Many invested the amount and now the collected amount is with the company and after that they changed the plan of business without any information to anybody so that they are able to declare the growth of business of the company is not going on. Intentionally the company is cheating the public by getting their money from different parts of the country and they cannot come to Kolkata office for the amount by spending fare and hotel bills. Why the government is giving the incorporation certificate, PAN number to such type of companies. Innocent people are losing their money to the companies like Real Business Marco Pvt.Ltd. I think there must be some responsibility of the government. Because of the legal documents issued to the company, the positive confidence of the public is rising.
THE COMPANY DETAILS ARE AS BELOW.

REAL BUSINESS MARCOM PVT. LTD.
15-D/1A, CENTRE SINTHEE ROAD,
KOLKATA 700050
North India Communication Office
T-2, Sujas Tower (Behind Mohan Restaurant) , Nehru Bazar, Jaipur 302 001
Jaipur Office: F-70, Ram Path, Shyamnagar, Jaipur 302 019 (Rajasthan)
CERTIFICATE OF REGISTRATION : U51909WB2008PTC123748 DATE 06/03/2008 KOLKATA
PAN CARD NO:AADCR8977R DATE O6/O3/2008
TAN CERTIFICATE NO:CALR07496G
CUSTOMER CARE NO. 09874801819, 033-25569418
E-mail:rbsupport@realbusinessnet.com, rbmcare@gmail.com, customercare@realbusinessnet.com
Website : www.realbusinessnet.com

The Promoter
The promoter of the company is Chopra family from Kolkata with a sound financial background of textile and Electronic Item Trading Business for more than 30 years. The group turnover is more than 200 cr.
The Directors
Mr. Gopal Agarwal
(A young entrepreneur from the field of textile and Garments with experience of Marketing Textile for 10 years)
Mr. P. Bose
(An ex Shaw Wallace administrator and executor with experience of more than 20 yrs)
I think the govt. May take some important steps against such type of financial terrorist those are not belong to pakistan and try to return the invested amount at least to public by collecting funds from Real Business Marcom Pvt. Ltd.
Thanks & Regards
Jai Prakash
jpuniyal@gmail.com
09649912303

Trivedi is bleating the same fairy-tale

Shyam
It's extraordinary when you are confronted by an unquestioning 'Amway' adherent like Trivedi.
Sadly, when the Assistant Attorney General of Wisconsin, Bruce Craig, examined the accounts of a flock of 20,000 little American Trivedis, he discovered that they'd also been conditioned to bleat the same mystifying fairy-tale in order to recruit. The most pathetic were the so-called 'Direct Distributors' who (with 50-100 recruits already beneath them) had swaggered about at the 'Amway' seminars in Wisconsin, exactly copying their 'Millionaire Amway Diamond' role-models (with thousands of recruits beneath them), intoxicated by their certain belief that they were nearing the 'Amway' promised land ('Total Financial Freedom').
These demonstrably deluded individuals were, in fact, working their tails off to maintain their 'groups,' but losing on average $1000 per year and only lining the pockets of their grinning masters . They were de facto slaves. The ego-inflating title , 'Independent Business Owner,' was a complete inversion of quantifiable reality.
Again, it is an absolute certainty that your naive young friend, Trivedi, will never have been given access to the audited accounts of anyone above him in the 'Amway' pyramid.
So what makes Trivedi so certain that he knows what 's really going on behind all the thought-stopping, comic-book images of flashy cars and clean-cut smiling couples ?
Could it possibly be that Trivedi has been conditioned to believe that only people who 'Duplicate the 100% 'Positive Amway Plan' and obey their 'Millionaire Amway Network Leaders' without question, will succeed ?
This form of one-way belief system, is technically known as a totalistic thought reform program a.k.a. closed-logic brain-washing. It is a particularly cruel method of getting 'Amway' victims to blame themselves when they lose their shirts, thus, preventing them from complaining.
We should all thank Trivedi for demonstrating to your readers how effective cultic mind control techniques can be.
David Brear

Tiny percent of top level Amway adherents only make money

Shyam,

Your naive young friend, Trivedi, isn't going to admit that he's been duped. However, I've seen the accounts of numerous 'Amway' adherents right up to the so-called 'Diamond' level. This is way above the level that Trivedi has reached so far. I've yet to see one shred of quantifiable evidence that any 'Amway' adherent has ever made an overall profit the operation of a so-called 'Amway Business'. Eric Scheibeler was a so-called 'Emerald' . He has proved that he lost approximately $100 000 in 10 years and passed around 4 millions to his leaders. All this money came from the sale of books, recordings, tickets to meetings, etc.The tiny percentage of 'Amway' adherents who have made money, have actually made it from the parallel advanced fee fraud, not from selling the products and services. Eric Scheibeler got out of 'Amway' when he was given access to the wider evidence that this was so. He realised that the whole 'Amway'organization was a giant lie and that his entire life was geared to promoting this lie. One thing is certain, Trivedi will have never seen the audited accounts of anyone above him in the 'Amway' pyramid.

The following transcript comes from the American television documentary show, 60 Minutes. The interviewer is Mike Wallace the interviewee is Bruce Craig (who was the Assistant Attorney General of Wisconsin during the 1980s).

Craig: We're charging them (Amway) with deceptive business practices, because of the use of those hypotheticals, because they so vary from what we feel is reality.

Wallace: (voice over) Bruce Craig investigated some examples used in Amway literature. Examples that said that Amway Distributors could make $1200 a month. Money that some Amway Distributors claimed could be earned within just a few hours a week. But after looking at the average income of the 20 000 distributors in Wisconsin, Craig came to the conclusion that such a claim was outlandish.

Wallace: Surely someone is making that kind of money?

Craig: Yes. That's correct.

Wallace: How many percentage-wise?

Craig: About one percent.

Wallace: (voice over) Amway did make the disclaimer that $12 00 a month was only hypothetical, but that still doesn't convince Craig.

Craig: if the figure of successful Distributors was one out of five as opposed to one out of one hundred we wouldn't be in court right now.

Wallace: (voice over) And Craig says that even the Distributors who, on paper, earn an average of $14 000 a year in Wisconsin actually earn a lot less.

Wallace: How much do they actually make?

Craig: After business expenses, a net income of minus $918.

Wallace: Wait a minute! The Direct Distributors who make a gross income on average of over $14 000 wind up losing almost $1000 after business expenses?

Craig: On average. Yes.

David Brear

Losesome game in the name of good business opportunity by Amway

Finally the cat is out of bag. But youngman Trivedi is yet to reveal how much he is investing every month to purchase products. Anyway he must be incurring loss of several hundreds if not a thousand rupees.

Here is an important part of Andhra Pradesh High Court judgment. Just read it.

"To qualify for earning commission a member has to earn the minimum monthly PV of 50 which he will get by selling products worth Rs.2,000/-. Respondent No.6 in para-11(c) of his counter affidavit specifically pleaded that “Amway” (First petitioner) would automatically get a business of the quantum of Rs.1080/- crores (4,50,000 x 2,000 x 12(months) ) per annum which would yield an astronomical profit and it cannot but be stated as “easy/quick money” without any service to the distributors/members irrespective of whether they sell the products or not, though the company may conveniently refer it as “turnover by sale of products”. Significantly, this assertion made in the counter affidavit is not denied in the rejoinder of the petitioners i.e. Amway India."

So every members has to purchase a minimum of Rs. 2000 every month to claim commission. And the members would make money if they can sell all the products for a profit at the rate of 20%. To sell these products, as claimed by our youngman, the member has to make phone calls, pay home visits to the houses of friends and relatives. If the costs of work is deleted the member would be the loser at the end of the day. These members would never realise that there is inherently fault in the business model of Amway but feel that it is their fault for failing in the business.

My fellow Indians and people all over world. Realise the real intention of crooks like Amway.

No riddles youngman Trivedi be straight

This is the typical of example of how cult adherents react. After avoiding to answer a simple question he talks in riddles. He is afraid that the racketeering of Amway would be revealed if he straight answers to the question on his earnings. Because the answers would reveal the real secret behind the Amway racketeering.

Also he did not say whether he had visited the earlier posts to read Nirmala's story. Her experience is similar to that of thousands of victims in India. But many do not come out openly. By a chance meeting, Nirmala has confided with me. That is exactly what happened to Satyanarayana case in Hyd. Now they are happily living with a new born child. Even his wife's parents are now convinced that Amway is not business but racket.

Just tell me what your earning is Trivedi

Amway distributors may not ask each other about their incomes. If you want anyone to join the scheme of Amway India one must be assured what lay ahead for him. Would anybody undertake any business venture without knowing what one is going to invest and how much one is going to earn. It is a very simple logic. But it goes above your head youngman Trivedi. I don't need all the blabbering. Just simply tell me how much you are earning and how much every month you are spending on purchasing products. Then I can decide to attend meetings as 'suggested' by you to learn 'deeply' about Amway wheel-dealing.

What is your monthly earnings Trivedi?

It is really not surprising to learn that it took six months for our youngman Trivedi to understand the business model of Amway. For any layman it takes a fraction of second to learn that it is outright cheating and mathematically impossible to continue in that business. But for Trivedi it took six months to understand and as many months to stop business and stick to only use of products.

Trivedi is yet to explain without 6-4-3 plan, how anybody make business in Amway India. And as everyone is interested in making lot of money, where do they find so many to join the scheme. Be truthful, I am asking you once again. What is your monthly earnings? What is the cost of your monthly purchasings? Generally I have met many Amway adherents. They simply lie when they are asked about the exact amount of earnings. Let us be frank and stick to truth and just tell me truth. How Much You Earn?

Go to old posts and read about Nirmala case.

Probe into this racketeering is need of the hour

Shyam
Your naive, young friend, Trivedi, probably doesn't know that after 35 years of 'Amway' operating in the UK, only one so-called 'Diamond Distributorship' existed last year. This is according to 'Amway UKs' own figures. These figures also reveal that at least one million annual contracts have been signed with the company since 1973, yet only approximately 5000 contractees were declared last October.
So what has happened to all these budding, British 'Amway' captains?
Sadly, every single one of them has lost money and abandoned their sinking 'Amway-' designed ships .
Tellingly, no one in the 'Amway' mob disputes any of these shocking facts.
The most high-profile British 'Amway Diamond' was 'Jerry Scriven' - a man once styled in 'Amway' propaganda as a shining example of 'Amway' success and intregrity. Despite Scriven operating the parallel advanced fee fraud for his boss, Dexter Yager, for more than 25 years without the slightest objection from the corporate officers of 'Amway UK' or those of the 'UK DSA', as soon as a UK government enquiry was launched, he was thrown out of 'Amway.'
Scriven now runs his own website with his wife, Mandy, on which they squawk unendingly about how badly they were treated by 'Amway'.
In reality, Scriven (and a British criminal associate, Pat Gregory), was responsible for stealing hundreds of millions of pounds from UK citizens using a company known as 'International Business Systems.' He peddled books, recordings and tickets to meetings on the pretext that these contained exclusive secrets to achieve success in 'Amway.' Scriven passed the bulk of this stolen cash to Dexter Yager in the USA.
So far, these racketeers have avoided rigorous investigation.

David Brear

Mathematical impossibility is the crux behind Amway cheating

I have already mentioned that as per the Amway's affidavit in 2006, I am presenting the facts. Anyway Amway India has lined its pockets with illgotten wealth all these years and does it make any differenc that it is now charging only Rs. 995. And what about the annual renewal charges. Is it not outright looting the gullible? It may have changed its crooked plans to a sophisticated model, but it is still a crook.

As a Ruby i.e., that is six percenter, you must have a sizable number of downliners under you. Have you any idea how many of them dropped out of business. Have you ever thought why so many dropped out. Because it is not possible to find so many people on earth. That is what is called mathematical impossibility.

What's your title young apologist of Amway

Amway India confers different titles to its distributors. Depending upon the title, his earnings are decided. 1. Silver producer 2. Gold producer 3. Platinum 4. Ruby 5. Founder's platinum 6. Founder's Ruby 7. Sapphire 8. Founder's Sapphire 9. Emerald 10. Founder's Emerald 11. Diamond 12. Founder's Diamond 13. Executive Diamond 14. Founder's Executive Diamond 15. Double Diamond 16. Founder's Double Diamond 17 Triple Diamond 18. Founder's Tripe Diamond. 19 Crown Diamond 20. Founder's Crown 21. Crown Ambassador 22. Founder's Crown Ambassador.

Mr Trivedi what is your title and what is your earning as distributor? How many you have joined in the scheme and how many are still in the business. I would also like to know for academic interest how many friends and relatives you lost after joining them?

Amway is luring people to become its members to line its pocket

Our yongman Trivedi is a funny fellow. He maintains stony silence regarding the judgement of High Court of Andhra Pradesh which is a fact, only fact nothing but fact. He finds fault with the content of websites. He also says 9-6-3, or 6-4-3 are only network marketing and one need not take up those plans. He says that it is a business plan to earn money.

If anybody wants to use Amway products, he can become a member by paying a hefty amount. Let us look at what is hefty amount. The starter kit costs Rs.4,400 out of which Rs. 1800 goes directly to Amway. Have you any idea the Amway India has been minting money with such type of entry fee and this was pointed out by the AP High Court in the judgement. Have you any idea how hefty that amount is in a country like India, Trivedi?

Now if you want earn money and become rich you have to look for six persons and they in turn have to look for four persons each and those four persons have to find three persons each. Everyone is interested in earning money and they have to find persons as their downline. Where do they find so many?

This is exactly what is called mathematical impossibility and the Supreme Court in a recent case upheld that the organisers of such schemes know well that it is not going to work forever and still they induce people to become members. This is nothing but cheating.

Trivedi may end up as a victim in future

Shyam
Back in the 1990s, I complained to old the UK Dept. of Trade and Industry that 'Amway UK Ltd' was one small part of a vast US-based criminal organization running a closed-market swindle and an associated advanced fee fraud. At this time, my own brother was a fanatical 'Amway' adherent. He had undergone the classic 'us versus them' personality change and, his total conviction that he was going to make millions out of 'Amway' had persuaded my sick elderly mother to give him control of 50% of everything she owned. My brother was completely brainwashed by 'Amway.' He had given up his teaching job and was busy dissipating all my family's capital assets to benefit of racketeers in the USA. My brother had filled his home with piles of quasi-religious books and tapes (which had cost him many thousands of pounds) and he was acting under the self-righteous belief that by helping other people to achieve their dreams: he would achieve his own dreams.
I clearly explained to UK government officials (and even to a Consumer Affairs Minister, John Taylor) at length how there were virually no external retail sales being conducted in the closed
'Amway' scheme (due to the banal quality, but huge prices, of the products) and that deluded de facto slaves (like my brother) were obliged to consume and to try to recruit more de facto slaves to consume and recruit, etc., in the vain hope of eventually making a profit. I also explained that there had to be a virtual 100% failure/ loss rate in 'Amway.'
This type of endless chain fraud is a crime (punishable by a prison sentence) under UK Trading Schemes law. However, the 'Amway' mob were also obstructing justice in that they had prevented investigation of their criminal activities in the UK. This was initially achieved by disguising illegal payments as 'sales', and also by infiltrating government. The 'Amway' mob were employing at least two Conservative Members of Parliament, James Lester and Andrew Rowe, as lobbyists, and using the 'UK Direct Selling Association' to influence government policy in their favour. Although questions were asked on my behalf in Parliament, for more than 10 years, a group of DTI officials and at least one Minister for Consumer Affairs, Gerry Sutcliffe, blocked all investigation of 'Amway UK Ltd'. The company also employed attorneys in an attempt to discredit me. A letter was circulated by these attorneys along with a copy of another letter (hand-written by my own brother), in which it was falsely stated that I had invented all my accusations about 'Amway' being a fraud, because I was 'involved in a family vendetta.' Indeed, this letter even sought to change the nature of my specific accusations.
When 'Amway UK' was finally investigated, it was discovered by UK government accountants and lawyers, that all of my accusations were, in fact, accurate. However, only a civil petition was filed against 'Amway UK' by the UK Minister for Business Enterprise and Regulatory Reform, John Hutton. Yet, in private, one senior UK government official was comparing 'Amway' to the 'KKK' and describing its adherents as brainwashed dupes. Sadly, UK government officials are not allowed to give their honest opinions in public.
The billionaire America-based racketeers who control 'Amway UK Ltd' cannot be held to account in the UK, indeed the company officers of 'Amway UK' have never faced a rigorous criminal investigation. The company survived only a civil petition to have it 'wound up in bankruptcy,' by employing attorneys (including a former Deputy Director of the UK Serious Fraud Office, Peter Kiernan), to pretend affinity with regulators and to present lies to a UK High Court Judge. In brief, the company officers of 'Amway UK' (effectively) put their hands in the air and admitted that they were running and hiding a closed-market and that an advanced fee fraud was also present in 'Amway', but they pretended that they had been completely unaware of these problems and that they would prevent them in future.
Although my brother is no longer active in 'Amway,' his own ego still prevents him from facing the reality that he was deceived by a puerile lie and that he destroyed his own family.
My brother is a classic example of a silent cult victim and, unfortunately, your naive young friend, Trivedi, will probably end up just like him.

David Brear

Amway adherents programmed not to listen

Shyam
One requires the patience of a Saint when dealing with the likes of Trivedi and Scott Johnson (alias 'Tex'). It helps to think of them as 5 year old children to whom you are trying to explain the ego-destroying reality that 'Santa Claus' does not exist and that their parents are lying on the subject.
Sadly, many rational people end up losing their tempers and insulting cult adherents, which only drives them further into their ego-building beliefs.
No matter what quantifiable evidence, or perfect logical explanation, demonstrating that, in the (effectively) closed 'Amway' system, nothing is being retailed to outsiders and, therefore, contributing 'Amway' participants are obliged to recruit further contributing participants in the vain hope that they will eventually enter the 'Amway' Utopia ('Total Financial Freedom'), persons like Trivedi and Johnson sail on regardless. However, this relentless denial of the truth, and of truth tellers, and their insistence that it is they, and their group alone who are telling the truth and everyone else is 'deluded, stupid, corrupt,' etc., is typical of cult core-adherents. They have been dissociated from external reality by co-ordinated, devious techniques of social, psychological and physical persuasion, but given the illusion that they were making a free-choice.
At the end of the 1970s, when Federal Trade Commission economists finally worked out that any direct selling scheme which produces less than 70% retails sales is economically unviable and, therefore, fundamentally unlawful, the 'Amway' mob promised to introduce their very own '70% Rule', but only to avoid closure and a criminal investigation. However, the FTC failed to create any independent mechanism to verify what was actually occurring in 'Amway'. In simple terms, 30 years ago, the 'Amway' mob pretended affinity with the federal government in order to continue to commit fraud. The best available estimates are that less than 5% of 'Amway's' claimed 'multi-billion dollar annual sales' are authentic retail transactions. Typically, 'Amway' adherents point to 'Amway's' own book of rules and squawk that 'this is absolute proof that the organization is law-abiding.' However, this makes about as much sense as judging the 'Nazis' only by reading the code of conduct of the 'Hitler Youth Movement' (a laudable document which was largely copied from the Boy Scouts).
No matter what we say, persons like Johnson and Trivedi have been programmed not to listen.
Indeed, when the billionaire bosses of the 'Amway' mob are finally hauled before the federal courts (hopefully in chains) and given stiff prison sentences (like Bernie Madoff), I'm sure that even then, an indignant claque drawn from their unquestioning flock will loudly protest that 'the Judges were wrong.'

David Brear

Amway scheme of making people rich easy and quick

Promise of easy or quick money by Amway in the guise of 9-6-3 or 6-4-3 scheme.

Let me explain the 9-6-3 or 6-4-3 principles briefly

9-6-3 Principle:

First person has to sponsor or enroll 9 persons each, these 9 persons have to sponsor or enroll six persons each, totalling 54 persons and agains these 54 persons have to bring 3 persons each totalling 162. Thus there are 226 (1+9+54+162) in one leg.

6-4-3 Principle:
First person has to sponsor or enroll 6 persons each, these 6 persons have to sponsor or enroll four persons each, totalling 24 persons and agains these 24 persons have to bring 3 persons each totalling 72. Thus there are 103 (1+6+24+72) in one leg.

Now let us verify whether there is any easy money in these schemes as explained in the Sec.2(c) of the The Prize Chits and Money Circulation Scheme (Banning) Act, 1978 is existing or not?

Here the first person, called A, enrolled 9 persons, means he put some personnal efforts and commission to A may be legal to some extent.

Thereafter these 9 persons have to sponsor 54 persons without intervention or help of first persons i.e., A. Yet commission is being promised by Amway to A even without his efforts.

Again these 54 persons have to sponsor 162 persons without the intervention or help of first person i.e. A and second level 9 persons. Yet commission is being promised to these A and 9 persons. Means without any personal efforts and without knowing who is joined by whom, A and the second level 9 members will be given commission is nothing but easy money since the money is earned without any efforts.

It is not disputed that 50 PVs are being awarded to all the upline members from immediate member to Amway in the USA who are in the same network or chain (please refer the brouchers of Amway). The upline members who are in the same network from 4th to 1000th.... levels don't know the names and persons who were enrolled under them. Yet they will be given commission for the enrollment under them.

Surprising thing in the scheme is sponsoring or enrolling one person is equal to sale of products. Another interesting thing in the Amway cheating business is that the person who wants to join in the scheme must and should pay amount to Amway directly, there should not be any interference in it by the upline members. If any person wants to get out of the scheme or return the products to Amway, he should not do it directly. He must return products only through his upline members. Why the person who directly purchased products from Amway is not eligible to directly return it to Amway. This is nothing but cheating.

Amway won't directly promises, it induces its members to float its sister concerns like BWW etc., to conduct seminars and publish materials. It is one type of cheating.

Ultimately in 9-6-3 or 6-4-3 scheme, the upline members who are in one level and second level out of four levels i.e. 1-9 or 1-6 will get commissions without their personal efforts and help. what it can be called?
In the judgement of High Court of A.P. also Amway admitted the commissions being given to Raja Naren whose personal PVs (means personal sales) is zero but as an upliner (means sponsoring new members under his downline) he was given commissions. Thus Amway is inducing through its 9-6-3 or 6-4-3 scheme to give easy money based on sponsoring which is illegal and banned under the provisions of The Prize Chits and Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978.

(COURTESY: http://www.skmastanvali.com

How to lure the gullible to become members of Amway

This is the part of the complaint filed by a complainant in the infamous Amway India criminal case which convinced the Andhra Pradesh High Court that the business model of Amway India is illegal. See for yourself. This is also part of the High Court judgement.

For the sake of convenient reference, the complaint of Mr. A.V.S. Satyanarayana is reproduced below:
“One of the schemes which involves enrolment of further members is called as 9-6-3. Under this scheme, I have to enroll 9 members first and then those members will enroll 6 members each and further each such person will enroll three members. Thus under me there will be 225 members and from whose sales, I was told that I will be earning lakhs & lakhs of rupees without doing anything. They also further told that if I enroll 2 members per month then at the end of 9 months, there will be 512 persons under me and I will be getting 10,000 PV (4,00,000 BV) and it is also called as 1 leg which is 21%. Thus the scheme I felt was nothing but a chain, where each one were asked to enroll further. Total Chain will become as follows: 9+54+162+me = 226."
It is further stated in the complaint:
“ The Amway India Enterprises is luring the public including me to introduce new distributors by showing the bait in the name of commission on sale of products to make quick money. The Amway India Enterprises is instigating the distributors like Padmavathi and Ramu to join the new distributors to sell the products in a large way, which is causing mental agony. It is nothing but money circulation which is illegal and also cheated me on the premise that they will return the money and commission according to company Multi-level Scheme (pyramid). I came to know that Amway India Enterprises, Hyderabad opened its branches all over Andhra Pradesh and exploiting youth like me and their families for their further gains.”

Yet US-based racketeers are billionaires

Shyam
Typically, your naive young friend, Trivedi, doesn't have the beginnings of a clue what he's talking about.
In order to distinguish between an unlawful pyramid scheme (i.e. premeditated closed-market swindle) and a lawful direct sales business, the fundamental question is whether rewards paid in connection with recruitment are linked to, or are derived from, the sale of goods, and/or services, to the public (i.e. retail sales). Without sufficient retail sales, the money to pay rewards can only come from the purchases of the participants themselves. Without profits from retail sales, the only conceivable method for participants to earn profit is through further recruitment. Any scheme with insufficient retail sales is, therefore, fundamentally unlawful.
Senior Federal Trade Commission economist, Dr. Peter Vandernat, devised a test to determine the authenticity and legality of any so-called 'MLM' scheme. Obviously, this comprises one simple measurement - the percentage of retail sales which are actually occurring. Vandernat's test set a figure where, in general, if at least 70% of all purchases by the participants are actually being resold to retail customers, then the scheme can be considered capable of paying lawful commissions. If any so-called 'MLM' scheme falls beneath the 70% retail sales standard set in Dr. Vandernat's simple test, then it is a premeditated closed-market swindle which is incapable of paying profits to the overwhelming majority of its participants, but which is hidden behind 'retail sales' which do not exist.
Dr. Vandernat has co-authored an academic paper with William W. Keep, 'Marketing Fraud: An Approach to differentiating Multilevel Marketing From Pyramid Schemes. This was published in the Journal of Public Policy and marketing in the Spring of 2002.
Interestingly, in the recent UK investigation of 'Amway,' it was discovered by government accountants that more than 90% of participants weren't even trying to conduct retail sales. On the contrary, they had all been taught to duplicate a ' Proven 2-5 Year Plan to Achieve Total Financial Freedom.' This comprised purchasing a regular quantity of grossly over-priced goods and services from 'Amway UK' and recruiting friends and relations to do the same, etc. etc. ad infinitum. The rolling failure /loss rate for UK 'Amway' participants over a period exceeding 30 years, was found to be (effectively) 100%. Yet the US-based racketeers who operate this scheme are billionaires.
Indian Judges didn't need the assistance of Dr. Vandernat to deduce that 'Amway' is a pernicious fraud. However, it is a racing certainty that the scheme as operated by 'Amway India Enterprises' (but centrally-controlled by the billionaire bosses of the 'Amway' mob in the USA), falls well beneath the 70% retail sales standard set in Vandernat's test.

Perhaps Trivedi would like to have a little side bet on this ?

David Brear

Herbalife is operating a pyramid scheme

Once again, Herbalife is accused of operating a pyramid scheme, this time by insiders.
The charge of operating a pyramid scheme has dogged Herbalife from its beginning, and for good reasons.
Herbalife is structured as an endless chain;
Requires a large upfront investment of about $3,000 to gain a position on the chain and get payments from new recruits;
The pay plan sends nearly all the money to the top 1%;
Churns through "failures" at an 80% per year rate;
Causes a 99% loss rate year after year among all who sign up. Now, according to an article in the Los Angeles Times, the pyamid scheme charge is coming from those who actually "succeeded", top insiders who want to quit.

If you want hide something; make it as big as you possibly can

Shyam

The meaningless technical-sounding term 'Multilevel Marketing' was coined in the 1950s to shield an updated, and combined, version of the Ponzi scheme and medicine show. The original 'MLM' fraud was operated behind two American-registered corporate structures known as 'The Nutrilite Products Company Inc.' and 'Mytinger and Casselberry Inc.' Throughout the 1950s, lawyers from the federal Food and Drug Administration Bureau of Enforcement tried (unsuccessfully) to close these counterfeit companies down on the grounds that they were producing and selling a counterfeit medicine labelled as a 'Health Tonic' (another meaningless technical-sounding term). The FDA knew that 'Nutrilite XX Supplement' comprised pills and capsules containing a random (but precisely measured) selection of cheaply-procured (harmless) common substances. The product's price was fixed at almost $20 a pack (the same as several hundred dollars today), but it cost just a few cents to make. The profit margin was at least 1000%. Amazingly, provided no specific therapeutic claims were put on the packaging, this absurd fake did not breach contemporary federal laws concerning the criminal misbranding of medicines.
The owner of 'Nutrilite Inc.' was Carl F. Rehnborg, a medical Alchemist whose absurd scam was tantamount to peddling a shiny amalgam of valueless base-metals for the price of pure gold. His criminal associates, Messrs. Mytinger and Casselberry, were economic Alchemists peddling the finite as infinite.
Because federal regulators failed to stop Rehnborg and his criminal associates before they acquired control over sufficient quantities of stolen capital to hire the best attorneys, several copy-cat 'MLM/Health Tonic ' frauds sprang up. When finally 'Nutrilite Inc.' looked like it would be closed under tougher federal legislation concerning the criminal misbranding of medicines rather than anti-pyramid scheme laws, 'The American Way Association' ('Amway') was created by two grinning, young 'Nutrilite' schills, Richard De Vos and Jay Van Andel. This time, they were peddling over-priced soap powder and household products (which were outside the scope of federal laws concerning medicines). Since 1960, hundreds of copy-cat 'MLM'/household product frauds have sprung up, but any (effectively) unsaleable product or service can be used to shield a closed-market swindle. This shifty edifice (built by criminals) is what is referred to as the hundred billion dollar 'MLM Industry.' The 'Nutrilite' name was brought back into 'Amway' in the 1970s. 'MLM' only spread outside the USA when 'Amway' faced investigation and possible closure.
To your naive young friend, Trivedi, it remains unthinkable that a global economic system comprising tens of billions of dollars can be a complete fraud without external revenue. However, there are numerous precedents. Not least Bernie Madoff, who managed to convince US regulators (for 20 years) that he was an investment guru who ran 'the world's largest hedge fund.' In reality, the only cash Madoff controlled came from the victims of a closed-market swindle.
The advertising industry has a maxim:
'If you want to hide something: make it as big as you possibly can.'
Madoff was another economic Alchemist peddling the finite as infinite. Yet, prior to his arrest, to his deluded victims this grim reality was totally unthinkable.

Wake Up Trivedi !

David Brear

Scripted protestations of Amway apologists

Shyam

One has to laugh sometimes at the scripted protestations of 'Amway' apologists.
Your naive young friend, Trivedi, squawks that billions of dollars are paid out annually to 'Amway Distributors' in 'bonuses', but, because he's been conditioned not to question the 'Amway' Ministry of Truth , he cannot use his critical faculties and see that the only cash which is present in the 'Amway' pot has mostly come from the participants themselves.
Sadly, Trivedi, all the quantifiable evidence proves beyond all reasonable doubt that 'Amway' has always had virtually no external customers, because the price and quality of 'Amway' products are fixed in such a way as to render them (effectively) unsaleable on the open market. Participants are taught to purchase a regular quantity of products themselves and recruit their friends and relations to do the same. Therefore, no matter how you divide up the finite revenue in the (effectively) closed 'Amway' market, the overwhelming majority of contributing participants cannot hope to receive a profit. This is why 'MLM' is to economics what perpetual motion is to physics.
Money, like energy, cannot be miraculously produced.
'MLM' is an absurd, but nonetheless pernicious, fraud using some of the oldest tricks in the book. e.g. The grinning 'Diamonds' who are constantly portrayed by 'Amway' propaganda as being shining examples of 'MLM Success' are what are known in American criminal slang as: schills .
A schill, Trivedi, is an innocent-looking person who works with a psychologically dominant confidence trickster, but who pretends to be independent. In the famous three card confidence trick, there are always a couple of ordinary guys in the crowd who are seen to win. In reality, three card trick schills are there to lure victims into a loaded game which only the confidence trickster can win. 'Amway' schills are no different.

David Brear

Amway is an organised crime group running a global racket

Shyam
The recent common sense judgement in India confirms what the 'Amway' mob has been getting away with for the past 50 years. Your Judges looked at what 'Amway' claims to offer and realized that it is an absurd, but nonetheless pernicious, rags-to-riches fairy-tale designed to lure the vulnerable into a trap.
Each time part of 'Amway's' labyrinth of corporate structures is examined by critical minds, it is discovered that virtually no products are being sold to outsiders, and that participants are being taught that if they buy a certain quantity of products themselves each month and recruit all their friends and relations to do the same, in 2-5 years they can sit back and enjoy prosperity, freedom, happiness, etc. for evermore.
When any part of the 'Amway' labyrinth faces closure on the grounds that 'MLM' is an impossible closed-market, money circulation scheme camouflaged by (effectively) unsaleable products (as was the case in the UK), the organization hires convincing attorney's (usually former law enforcement agents) and they solemnly promise the courts that everything will be put in order. If the Judges don't see that 'Amway's' scripted defence is part of a pattern of lies, then they give the organization the benefit of the doubt and allow it to continue.
It is, therefore, a pointless excercise to examine any part of the 'Amway' labyrinth in isolation. 'Amway' is an ongoing,organized crime group running a global racket. Down the years, its bosses have developed all manner of devious tactics to prevent, and/or, divert investigation and isolate themselves from liability. This sanctimonious little gang of American-based racketeers continue to thieve from mankind, surviving all less-than-intellectually rigorous challenges.

Hats off to your Indian judges.

David Brear

It is nothing but lure to enrol more members into Amway fold

This is the comment part of the judgement of Andhra Pradesh High Court after carefully analysing the affidavit filed by Amway India itself appealing to the Hon'ble Court to declare its business model legal. On the contrary, Amway India received a rude shock. Just read it to find it for yourself.

It is, thus, evident that the whole scheme is so ingeniously conceived that the inducement for aggressive enrollment of new members to earn more and more commission is inherent in the scheme. By holding out attractive commission on the business turned out by the downline members, the scheme provides for sufficient inducements for its members to chase for the new members in their hot pursuit to make quick/easy money. On the part of the promoter by pushing each member to achieve the minimum sales worth Rs.2,000/- per month, (this sale includes enrollment of new members) he is assured of about Rs 1000 crore per annum. All this squarely satisfy the description of quick/easy money. In addition to this, it is an admitted fact that each person in order to continue to be the distributor, shall pay renewal subscription fee of Rs.995/- per annum. In para-11(b) of the counter affidavit on the admitted number of distributors of 4,50,000 this amount is calculated at about Rs.45 crores per annum. These figures are not denied by the first petitioner in its rejoinder. The plea of the first petitioner that there is no compulsion that a member shall renew his distributorship looks to us to be specious. Once a person becomes a distributor in a scheme of this nature where the sops in the shape of commission are so luring, it would be very difficult for a member to withdraw from their membership to avoid payment of the annual renewal subscription fee. (Para 34).
From the whole analysis of the scheme and the way in which it is structured it is quite apparent that once a person gets into this scheme he will find it difficult to come out of the web and it becomes a vicious circle for him. In any event the petitioners have not specifically denied the turnover they are achieving and the income they are earning towards the initial enrollment of the distributors, the renewal subscription fee and the minimum sales being achieved by the distributors as alleged in the counter affidavit. By no means can it be said that the money which the first petitioner is earning is not the quick/easy money. By promising payment of commission on the business turned out by the down-line members sponsored either directly or indirectly by the up-line members (which constitutes an event or contingency relative to enrollment of members), the first petitioner is earning quick/easy money from its distributors, apart from ensuring its distributor earn quick/easy money. Thus the two ingredients are satisfied in the case of promoter too. We are, therefore, of the considered view that the scheme run by the petitioners squarely attracts the definition of “Money Circulation Scheme” as provided in Section 2(c) of the Act. (Para 35).

This is how Amway India is lining its pocket as per its own affidavit

Let us have a look at the second part of the judgement which highlighted how Amway India is making easy and quick money. This is not my perception nor averment. I am only quoting the judgement of Andhra Pradesh High Court.

"Each member on his enrollment pays Rs.4,400. Payment of Rs.4,400 by a member on his enrollment and his future earnings through marketing/enrolling other members constitutes event or contingency relative to his enrollment. The distributor gets all this money as a consideration for promise made by the sponsor at the time of his enrollment. Thus as far as the member joining the scheme is concerned, both the ingredients of Section 2(c) of the Act, i.e., a) making of quick or easy money, and b) the chance or opportunity of making quick or easy money depending on an event or contingency relative or applicable to the enrollment of members into the scheme are satisfied.
As pleaded by the petitioners i.e. Amway India, themselves, out of Rs.4,400 a substantial part, namely Rs.1,800 is collected as subscription fee, license fee, business kit etc. To qualify for earning commission a member has to earn the minimum monthly PV of 50 which he will get by selling products worth Rs.2,000. Thus Amway India (First petitioner) would automatically get a business of the quantum of Rs.1080 crore (4,50,000 x 2,000 x 12(months) ) per annum which would yield an astronomical profit and it cannot but be stated as “easy/quick money” without any service to the distributors/members irrespective of whether they sell the products or not, though the company may conveniently refer it as “turnover by sale of products”. Significantly, this assertion made in the counter affidavit is not denied in the rejoinder of the Amway India. They have merely tried to explain the said allegation by offering certain justifications. The Amway India have not specifically denied that they would get a sum of Rs.1,080 crore by ensuring that each distributor maintains the minimum sales level. Even though the scheme per se does not stipulate that each distributor has to maintain the minimum required business level, prescription of minimum level of 50 PV to qualify for getting commission is sufficient inducement for the members to relentlessly strive for maintaining the PV level at or above the said minimum levels.

This is how mental manipulation functions Mr Trivedi

Shyam

Your innocent young correspondent , Mr. Trivedi, misses some very important points.
It is decent people like you and Dahya Patel in Chicago who are actually on his side. He will find that, in life, it is only his real friends who continue to tell him the truth no matter how ugly and painful this might be. Enemies have a tendency to tell ego-building lies.
Notice also, Mr. Trivedi, that at no stage does the 'Amway' Ministry of Truth ever distinguish between genuine retail sales and purchases made by the de facto agents of the organization itself. It is, therefore, economic nonsense to repeat 'Amway's' own unqualified multi-billion dollar 'sales figures.' In reality, 'Amway' sells virtually nothing to outsiders, so it is a mathematical impossibility for the overwhelming majority of contributing participants to receive a profit. Where exactly would the miraculous money come from to pay them?
Mr. Trivedi I have the sad duty to tell that you have been sold an infinite share of what can only be a finite quantity of your own (and other victims') money. You should go straight to the police to complain, but right now your own ego will not allow you to face the reality that you have been deceived. This is how mental manipulation functions and how the absurd 'Amway' myth has survived.
The self-gratifying closed-logic 'Amway' belief system gradually conditions its adherents unconsciously to accept that they are 'Independent Business Owners' who must remove all critics of their 'Businesses' from their lives, because critics are a negative threat to future prosperity, freedom, happiness, etc. Obviously, this controlling scenario is a complete inversion of quantifiable reality.
I sincerely hope that Mr. Trivedi is still in contact with his truth-telling friends and relatives.
The United States government regulator is the Federal Trade Commission. During the 1970s, the bosses of the 'Amway' mob were first forced to move their mind-twisting racket overseas because the FTC was finally on the point of proving that 'MLM' is fundamentally unlawful. At that time, US investigators discovered that the price and quality of 'Amway' products was centrally-controlled and fixed in such a way as to render them (effectively) unsaleable on the open market. 'Amway' was heavily fined for price-fixing, but it avoided closure by introducing its own 'rule' which appeared to oblige participants to make 70% of sales to outsiders. However, the FTC foolishly failed to introduce any independent mechanism to verify that this rule was being enforced. Consequently it has been completely ignored for the past 30 years, whilst the grinning bosses of 'Amway' mob have continued to expand their closed-market swindle and associated advanced fee fraud all around the globe.

David Brear

This is scheming business model of Amway

This is the major part of the Andhra Pradesh High Court judgement which nailed the dubious business model of Amway.

"As is evident from the contentions advanced on behalf of the Amway India as noted earlier, the Amway India have taken the stand that there is no quick or easy money involved in the scheme and that the money which the sponsor member gets does not depend on any event or contingency relative or applicable to the enrollment of the members into the scheme. But on a careful analysis of the true nature of the scheme as explained above, it is quite apparent that one of the components of the income earned by a sponsor member is the commission which is calculated not only on the personal PV of the sponsor member, but also from the PV earned by all the remaining 102 members falling within his group. There is, therefore, no gainsaying that a substantial part of the income which the first sponsor member of the group gets depends on the event or contingency relative or applicable to the enrollment of members into the scheme. This conclusion can be tested by a further analysis of the income figures given in the earlier paragraph. Supposing the sponsor member at the top does not introduce any member and if he merely sells the products given to him, he gets an income of Rs.12,420/-. If he sponsors only six people and they in turn do not sponsor any member, then he will get an additional income of Rs.23,760/-. If those six members whom he sponsored again sponsor four members each, he will get a further income of Rs.1,14,480/- and if the 24 members sponsor three members each, he will get a further sum of Rs.6,83,300/-. Thus the money which the member at the top of the line gets depends upon the members whom he enrolls or the members enrolled by him enroll.
From the aforementioned discussion, it is proved that the scheme provides for easy/quick money to its distributors.

Just read AP High Court judgement to learn facts

Are we talking a different issue? I have been under the impression that we are discussing about the dubious ways of Amway India in hoodwinking the gullible and lining its own pockets through closed market swindle. When you don't have any substance, you just beat around the bush. That is exactly what you are doing. My sincere advice is just read the High Court judgement to understand how Amway India is cheating people.

When a sane person interfers and advises you to be sensible and throw out crooks like Amway, you accuse me of taking help of others.

You refuse to answer my straight questions. I have even asked you how much money you are earning being an IBO.

Yes. I have attended one seminar of Amway India way back in 1998 and my wife immediately warned that it was a racket. Luring others to join the scheme to become overnight rich is an offence in India. I do not know which country now you are in. Do you have any idea how many people lost money in Amway business model. There are several thousands of people who refuse even to acknowledge the losses they have suffered fearing people would laugh at them. That is how these fraudulent companies have been thriving.

Let us root out this evil collectively Trivedi

Hi Mr. Trivedi
I am really amazed and feel bad to hear from a person from Ahmedabad, India defending these global crooks like Amway and others. In fact behind the name of Amway you should look at the motivational crooks like BWW, Winner Internationals, Network21 and a lot of crooks who are selling the motivational materials and never come into light or in news because its all hush..hush...
It's going big time in the very well developed countries like the USA, the UK and all. That does not approve their deed and make them legal or ethical. Two thirds of the money earned by top guns among Amway distribitors come from selling so called success systems in the name of seminars, CDs, Books, meetings and all such things.
By the way I am from Chicago, USA, originally from Gujarat, India. I was part of this crook for about 5 -6 yrs. And could see it’s a drain of money and time.
Amway could be 'legal' (Amway has proved it by manupulating a lot of FTC rules and it has money power.
But again I say strongly that main crooks are top guns/kingpins selling system to poor distributors in the name of hope, which is a real dope in the hope.
I sincerelly plead, wish and pray that consumers and general public should support the stand taken by people like Shyam.
I really do appreciate his efforts. If people like you and others support the move we really can root out this evil. Again not only Amway but the real root cause - the support systems like BWW and all.
Thanks,

D patel
Chicago
USA

Talk straight youngman

Our friend Trivedi, it seems, is a funny man. I like his sense of humour. When the exorbitant price of the products is mentioned he talks of money back guarantee. When illegal money circulation scheme which is being adopted by Amway India is mentioned he talks about the quality of products. When the results of Andhra Pradesh Food Laboratory are mentioned he coolly talks of something else again. It seems, like all Amway adherents, he does not believe in straight talk.

1. Why become a member paying a hefty fee to purchase products.

2. Why annual subscription fee

3. Why members need to enroll more members

All these are necessary for Amway India to line its pockets without any effort. That is why it is illegal.

Don't allow crooks like Amway to loot your country

Many people believe, rather ignorantly, that whatever published in newspapers is fact. They do not distinguish between Press statements, eye witness accounts, editorial articles and editors' comments. Interestingly, a sizable number of people do not distinguish between advertisements and news. This was revealed in a survey a decade ago.

It seems Mr Trivedi is also no exception. I must confess that Mr Trivedi shared nothing with me so far. All he mentioned was some Press statements by a bunch of thieves who have been looting my country for the last one decade. Interestingly, he asks me to read the statements of the apologists of a fraud company. Above all, he refuses to read the judgment of the High Court of Andhra Pradesh to learn how Amway India was nailed.

I have mentioned before the names of some 33 companies which indulged in illegal money circulation scheme and all of them obtained stay orders from the judicial courts even before the police filed any criminal case against them. That includes GoldQuest International. Notable point here is that most of these companies are the members of Indian Direct Selling Association (IDSA). IDSA headed and founded by Amway got GoldQuest International admitted into its fold as a direct selling company but distanced itself once it was caught red-handed.

My friend Trivedi, kindly read the High Court judgement to understand how these companies are cheating people in the name of direct selling and how these companies are unjustly enriching themselves from selling starter kits, annual subscriptions and attractive commissions to lure the members to bring in more members, exorbitant price of products, etc.

For example, the ex-factory price of Glister toothpaste is Rs. 16 on which the Amway India is paying tax to the government but it is selling the same for Rs. 120 to the consumer. Now tell me whether the consumer is really getting benefitted through so-called direct selling.

Love your country and do not allow these crooks to make love to your country.

Rely on facts, only facts nothing but facts my friend

Our friend wants authentic information about High Court. What my friend does not know is that judgements are not rewritten by anybody. Just they are produced verbatism. In case he wants to read from the law books, he refer 2007 (4) ALT 808 (D.B.) and read the full text of the High Court judgement. Read and enjoy who the judges analysed the affidavit submitted by Amway India and came to conclusion.

I don't give newspaper clippings that contains press statements. I rely on facts nothing but facts. I hope everyone relies on facts only.

Mr Trivedi wonders how Amway India is still doing business in India after the High Court held its business model is illegal. Being an Indian he must know well how things work in his home country. Amway India is still doing business in the country because of lethargic and corrupt bureaucracy and slow judicial process.

Pakadgayaa to bhee chor nahin hai kyaa?

Our young man Trivedi, it seems, is agreeing that all companies who are caught are thieves except Amway. There is a saying in Hindi "Jo pakadgayaa wahi Chor Hai". But Trivedi says "Pakadgayaa to bhee chor nahin hai." Amway India filed a writ petition in the Andhra Pradesh High Court seeking that the court pronounce that its business model is legal. But much to its chagrin, the High Court held that the business model of Amway is illegal. For details read the judgement at www.skmastanvali.com.

The judgement itself is self-explanatory and proved beyond doubt that the business model is out to cheat the gullible public and attracts the provisions of the Prize Chits & Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978. The Division Bench of the AP High Court carefully analysed each and every point in the writ petition filed by the Amway India and came to the conclusion that it is illegal.

Now the criminal case is pending against the Amway India in the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Court, Nampally, Hyderabad.

All these fraudulent companies have formed Indian Direct Selling Association (IDSA) headed by Amway. But if a criminal case is filed against any one company, Amway apologists coolly say that that particular company's business is pyramid and illegal. That is why I said, "Jo pakadgayaa wahi chor hai." One cannot just say that it is a legal business because it has activities in several countries and 107 billion dollar swindle.

Wake up my dear fellow humans all over world. Throw these fraudsters out of your countries. These are eating away your economies and damaging the social fabric.

Let us not allow these fraudsters make fast buck

My fellow countrymen,

Following is the list of companies against whom criminal cases are pending in various judicial courts across the country. All these companies have already duped people up to several thousands of crores of rupees and many of them are still doing business in spite of the pending criminal cases. If you are really patriotic and love for your country, do not allow these fraudulent companies to loot our people and make fast buck. These companies are becoming overnight rich with the lure of getting you quick rich which is nothing but a mirage. ONLY these companies make money leaving you high and dry. My fight is against all these fraudsters. Still, I wrote mostly against Amway because it is the mother of all scams. All other companies are simply moving in Amway's footsteps.

My humble pray is let us not allow these scamsters loot our countrymen. Very few of these companies are multi-national. Most of them are indigenous companies out to line their own pockets playing with the weakness of our people. Not only these companies are making money overnight but also ruining the social relations and damaging the social fabric of our society. People who joined in the schemes of these companies never again trust their relatives and friends who made them join such schemes. That is how the social fabric is affected. Try to understand my anguish.

1. Alekya Marketing Yellow Pages

2. Amway India
3. ALGI Network Marketing
4. Bajaj Capital
5. Chain System Schemes
6. Devi Networks Business System Management
7. Dew Soft
8. Diamond Sahaya Schemes
9. e-Biz.com
10. Gold Quest International (Now almost Extinct)
11. Golden Choice Network Business
12. Golden Jubli Marketing Pvt. Ltd
13. Happy Life Marketing
14. Japan Life (Now Extinct)
15. Lucky draw
16. Maruthi Motors
17. MHM Marketing Pvt Ltd
18. Mickway Finance Company Ltd
19. Mihira Net Pvt Ltd.
20. Mithra Chits
21. P.A.C.L. (Pearls)
22. Prathyusha Motors
23. Prem Shiva Lucky Scheme
24. Raga Sindhuja Enterprises
25. Ray Ready Made shirts
26. Sri Ramanjaneya Lucky Bumper Scheme
27. Sridevi Enterprises
28. Suraj Holiday resorts and townships
29. Synergy Shopping Pvt. Ltd.
30. Varasiddi Vinayaka Managements
31. V-Can Network
32. Venkateswara Motors
33. Vigneswara Motors

Trivedi is sure a robot programmed to defend Amway

We come across several types of nitwits across the web. Here is a classic example. I am once again driven to the statement issued by a bunch of thieves defending Amway India. This youngman Trivedi refuses to answer how much he is earning as an IBO. He claims to be a distributor and he must earn some commission as a distributor. He must also pay an annual fee to continue as distributor. In an innocent tone, he claims that he is only user of Amway products. Then also he must earn some points by purchasing the products.

I told him several times to read at least, forget about study, the judgement of AP High Court how the business model of Amway is illegal. Instead, he directs our readers to read the Amway India statements. He may be a nitwit or a programmed robot to defend Amway India.

Amway business model is illegal

Our learned friend Mr Trivedi is trying hard once again to hoodwink our readers. This youngman mentioned a number of blogs and all of them are the statements of Amway only. The headline is misleading which stated, "Here is the AP High Court judgement." But there is only the Statement of Amway. It is a classic example of how Amway apologists lie with ease.

Again, this young man conveniently misses to state what exactly is his annual income. Probably he doesn't want to lie once again to mention his income details. My dear young fellow! Do not get depressed when people said certain things about what you believe. Stick to truth.

As per the report of Andhra Pradesh State Food Laboratory, Nutrilite is an adulterated product. Prove it wrong, young man. While I am writing about the facts relying upon the scientific reports and court judgements, this youngman relies upon mere statements of thieves.

I don't have anything personal against Amway India or for that matter any other MLM or direct selling companies. Only thing I demand is kindly sell your 'quality' products in the regular market and see how much you could sell. My dear Friend, it is a closed market swindle out to cheat people. Just read the AP High Court judgement to understand how Amway India is cheating our fellow countrymen.

Amway press statements are not lacunae in the enactment my friend

What a wonderful information our friend Mr Trivedi provided to 'enlighten' the public. It is pity that he is not aware that all these are only press statements issued by the thieves who have been looting my country for over a decade. And he claims that all these press statements are 'the' proofs. We can understand the innocence of such apologists if it is so. He did not know the difference between press statements and actual lacunae in the enactment. It is like pickpockets forming an association and demanding rights to pick the pockets.

It has been public knowledge that IDSA has been demanding a legislation to legitimise the multilevel marketing and the government was not heeding to the demand. It is anybody's guess why the government was not heeding to the demand. The Government of India knew well that it would be like opening gates to the thieves to loot the country further.

Mr Trivedi did not say a single word about the shortcomings in the enactment. In fact, the Amway India has already submitted a draft legislation to that extent to the Indian Government. So far there is no reaction from the government and there might not be in near future. Because the Government knew well what would happen if it is legislated.

Funnily, Mr Trivedi came out with the authenticity of its products. It seems that he is not aware that a Consumer Forum in Andhra Pradesh has imposed a fine of Rs. 1 lakh for selling adulterated, overpriced products which includes Nutrilite.

Not surprisngly, our friend Mr Trivedi is silent over his income as an Independent Business Owner. It is better he is silent instead of coming out with outright lies.

Be honest my Amway friend and reveal only truth nothing but truth

The Division Bench of Andhra Pradesh High Court pointed out that the business model of Amway India is nothing but cheating and attracts the provisions of the Prize Chits & Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978. And now this wise guy Mr Trivedi says that the said enactment is outdated. Probably he thinks that the High Court justices are not intelligent enough to state that the enactment was outdated.

He also says that whether he is an IBO or not won't make any difference. But it makes a lot of difference my friend. The tall claims of getting quick rich in a short span of three to four years are nothing but to cheat people. Moreover, Mr Trivedi should tell us what exactly the quantity of Amway products is sold to people other than members. Kindly be honest and don't tell lies like all Amway members including IBOFB. And also what exactly are your monthly earnings. This should also be revealed sans lies.

Amway is a fraud company out to cheat people all over world

A friend states that tax evasion is a common thing indulged in by all corporates. But he conveniently overlooks various aspects raised in this blog against Amway India to prove that it is a fraud company. The division bench of the Honourable Andhra Pradesh High Court had categorically stated that the business model of Amway India is illegal and attracted the penal provisions of the Prize Chits & M0ney Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978. But our friend is still not convinced. It is not clear whether he is an IBO or a mere apologist like our IBOFB.

The fact that tax evasion is common among corporates does not make it legal. It is an illegal activity and it is only a part of various illegal activities of Amway India.

If DTY Trivedi is an IBO he should come out with the facts how much money he is actuallly earning as a member of Amway India.

Tax evasion case filed against Amway

The Commercial Tax Department of A.P. filed a case on 26-08-2009 against Amway India Enterprises on the charges of evading of VAT (Value Added Tax) of about Rs.90 lakh. The Hon'ble High Court of Andhra Pradesh also rejected the plea of Amway to grant stay and ordered the Amway India to pay 40 per cent immediately.
The Division Bench of the Hon'ble High Court of A.P. headed by Hon'ble Judges Goda Raghu Ram and Ramesh Ranganadhan refused to grant stay to Amway against the orders of the A.P. Commercial Taxes Department about the proceedings launched by the Department against the tax evasion by the Amway (W.P.No.17536 of 2009).
Please refer Writ Petition No.17536 of 2009 on the website of Hon'ble High Court of A.P. High Court website link to know the status of the case:

http://hc.ap.nic.in/pls/lobis/caseno